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    Default What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Saw this on another website so I decided to steal because im a jerk. I just want to know.

    My Opinion:

    Poor AI
    Poor sound rips or "silly" sounds (I don't want my char to belch out soundclips from 10 thousand sources "to be funny")
    Excesive Helpers! i dont like then,is not bad when only have 1&2 but.....4 or 5,thats exaggerated
    Combos that dont chain into each other

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    SIlly sounds? Does that mean you hate Dee Bee Kaw?

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Dunno if I'd apply the term "ruin" in my case, but I get disappointed seeing characters with auto-AI, or are limited to a certain version of Mugen (DOS/Winmugen/1.1)
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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Perhaps the Poorly Made Sprites
    (E.G Josh Geary)

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Here's what ruins a MUGEN Char for me:

    1 - Difficult AI in Survival/Arcade modes:
    Since every char has a normal AI, There are chars for MUGEN with Cheap/Boss AI (E.G. Elque by yuki, One of the best cheap chars ever made for mugen).
    2 - Crappy Sprites & bad coding:
    Some of the new MUGEN Creators can't learn how to code and make a Character without advices from veteran creators (And how to make a Char? By Reading MUGEN's documentation references or by Searching Tutorials at the internet? Simple! They Always go visit MUGEN Tutorials at the internet and cannot read mugen's documents. E.G. AIR File/Animation File, CNS/Constants file, SFF Standard/Sprite Standard, SCTRL Reference & Trigger Reference.) As for bad spritework, There are "creators" who does crappy spritework for their chars, Such as me (In my past, Where i did my failed self inserts), That's why i am not good at doing sprites.
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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Usually, for me, it's the AI being unfair and unfun to fight. There really needs to be more videos demonstrating what the AI is capable of rather than guess. Though in other cases, it can be poor quality mods and crappy animations.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    It might seem odd but Im a 6 button man when it comes to mugen so Im a little let down to a character that turns out they are only 4 buttons. Its a nitpick tbh and It only bothers me if I didn't know before hand or if the character is usually 6 buttons in their source game.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    It's always the AI

    especially auto AI that locks to cheap/boss/god mode and can't be adjusted either in MUGEN difficulty settings or in cns/config file (like there are nobody want to make adjustable AI coded in there anyways... Prolly they're lazy or the code is complicated idk...)

    I mean, not everyone in here is a E-sport MUGEN player, right? It doesn't matter if it's a 3 or even 2 button character, if said char can beat your *** easily, but you can't do the same, even using that char, it's a big no from me.
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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    AI is too hard. But to be fair you can just turn ai cheats off and ailevel to 1

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    AI and dank memes brah

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Unstandardized gameplay/graphics. I hate it when a more grounded fighter has to be up against an MVC or Guilty Gear fighter, and when KOF-styled graphics are put up against Capcom-styled ones. Full-games are NOT good when you have a GGX Sol Badguy, a KOF94 Terry, and a SF3 Akuma all in the same game with the source games' mechanics unchanged.

    Another thing i hate is many of the same exact characters being edited/converted. I don't care about Akuma or Orochi, and MUGEN is one of three factors why. The only good ones are ironic edits, such as Rare Akuma, Akumeme, Original the Character (Akuma with sad-claps code), Orochi Head, and God Orochi Tampa Bay Edition (an edit of an edit that makes the AI rubberband from strong to weak).

    One last thing; i hate characters that desperately want to be play like Smash Bros or Tekken. Good lord, both of those series are overrated.
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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Usually bad sprites are the problem. I like my characters looking like they came from an actual fighting game, not ripped from a GBA game.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plusle2019 View Post
    AI is too hard. But to be fair you can just turn ai cheats off and ailevel to 1
    Yeah, but AI level, I feel, has no impact on the gameplay, and even if the AI was max level, it's not like it knows that its moveset is. Also, the default AI is way too easy and passive to really have fun with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzynuts View Post
    Poor sound rips or "silly" sounds (I don't want my char to belch out soundclips from 10 thousand sources "to be funny")
    Wellll, unlike AI, this one can be changed through Fighter Factory. It might be a problem if the uploader decides to stuff their character with literally hundreds of junk sound clips.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarioBabyLuigi View Post
    Yeah, but AI level, I feel, has no impact on the gameplay, and even if the AI was max level, it's not like it knows that its moveset is. Also, the default AI is way too easy and passive to really have fun with them.

    Yeah, MUGEN AI is more of a suggestion than an actual option. On about 90% of characters it does nothing at all.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    character that cause Mugen to crush:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWMOuPQx-C8

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

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    SIlly sounds? Does that mean you hate Dee Bee Kaw?
    No im talking about those Silly sound packs or "retard" characters that use Dee Bee Kaw sounds

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    People who don't even try, for example, making it on MS Paint or Paint.net, for example, Shazam7121 and emandsam (good friends but shitty character makers) doesn't even try and makes the characters shitty.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    I think the worst quality in a mugen char for me is overpoweredness. Also bad sprites, misaligned animations etc.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    For me overpowered-characters and bad spriting / headswaps without extra editing on the moves, animations.

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    Default Re: What ruins a mugen character for you?

    Oh yeah, that too. The world has enough shotaclones :)

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