Useless Characters

[mulambo]

you're not "discussing" at all, you're just making your anger hijack this topic because because you felt provoked by my words. How can I *assume* you're acting out of pride?
first you talk about "owning". what is so "constructive" about "owning" somebody in the internets? you want to "discuss" ? So, you failed in knowing what "creativity" is, you failed in recognizing Bob is a bad message character, you failed in using the matter of "discussion" in order to vent your anger, how else are you going to fail?
I pointed out the obvious, you reacted like "no way", I explained it why, you keep posting, what do you want? Revenge? A cookie? A pat on your shoulders? Just quit talking, that "hmmm... interesting" actually meant : "this discussion has reached an immature level so I'm telling you to cool down with a fake compliment so you could get out of here and have a cold shower to calm down your nerves".

enough?

[GeorgeMaster]

you're not "discussing" at all, you're just making your anger hijack this topic because because you felt provoked by my words. How can I *assume* you're acting out of pride?
first you talk about "owning". what is so "constructive" about "owning" somebody in the internets? you want to "discuss" ? So, you failed in knowing what "creativity" is, you failed in recognizing Bob is a bad message character, you failed in using the matter of "discussion" in order to vent your anger, how else are you going to fail?
I pointed out the obvious, you reacted like "no way", I explained it why, you keep posting, what do you want? Revenge? A cookie? A pat on your shoulders? Just quit talking, that "hmmm... interesting" actually meant : "this discussion has reached an immature level so I'm telling you to cool down with a fake compliment so you could get out of here and have a cold shower to calm down your nerves".

enough?

How about you acknowledge the contents of my second post? This discussion reached an immature level when YOU disregarded the post with "tl;dr" when it was shorter than yours. Do you find the two small lines about your spelling too distracting in a giant "tl;dr" post? Hmmm, I wonder what that means...? Either way, that doesn't mean you should disregard the whole post. I get that the truth isn't tasty. It is what it is. ;)

I keep posting because I want to, I find video game discussions fun. Not because of any reason you make up in your head. Once again I see you're trying to guess how people think without actually trying to apply reason to their thoughts. Of course me "owning" isn't constructive, but it's just as well thought out as "TL;DR" when someone tells you why you're wrong. You also attempt to say I fail in these different points while YOU refuse to even say why. A humble suggestion, if you didn't want the discussion to be "immature", maybe you should actually engage in the discussion and my points without telling me tl;dr.

You failed in making any worthwhile point, you failed at defending these points when they were criticized. And now you're failing to attempt to both back out of the conversation and come out on top in it, so here's another piece of advice, pick one. Either back out of the conversation and avoid the main points because maybe you're too fragile to discuss video games on the internet, and be done with it. Or actually respond to my second post and reason to me why you're right about these character designs. You can't do both, because the goals contradict each other. You can't be both confrontational and non-confrontational.

Understand?

[mulambo]

nice signature. if you spent more time in making it look better and less time arguing with strangers about pointless things, maybe you could have done something useful for yourself. or your ego.

anyway, my opinion remains the same: Bob is a fat character, a bad message to players and an unnatural concept. No obese people can perform his moves in real life, this is a fact, you can play rethoric how much you want you'll only cause yourself more brain damage (please stop for your own sake). mocking and repeating my words doesn't have effect, first you have to recognize that Bob is a lame character, a McDonald's addict, a burger-muncher and so on. Am I offending a person? No. I am offending a concept. Is this a crime? No. Is this a sin? No. You think it is? Then probably you identify with Bob. Well, I'm not responsible if overweight people are offended by this. We're not talking about nutrition, we're talking about characters. We're not talking about your reasons (therefore I don't need to understand them, I'm not interested in them, understand?).

I'm not asking you to quit, because you probably think that "oh my god I will lose this battle if I admit that Bob sucks". But you have also understand that this discussion is going elsewhere. Let other people express their view, they're already baked the popcorn and enjoying this drama. You want to be a clown? I don't. So if you want to keep this convo, do as you please, next tag or else I will ignore you.

One last thing: Bob sucks.

[GeorgeMaster]

nice signature. if you spent more time in making it look better and less time arguing with strangers about pointless things, maybe you could have done something useful for yourself. or your ego.

anyway, my opinion remains the same: Bob is a fat character, a bad message to players and an unnatural concept. No obese people can perform his moves in real life, this is a fact, you can play rethoric how much you want you'll only cause yourself more brain damage (please stop for your own sake). mocking and repeating my words doesn't have effect, first you have to recognize that Bob is a lame character, a McDonald's addict, a burger-muncher and so on. Am I offending a person? No. I am offending a concept. Is this a crime? No. Is this a sin? No. You think it is? Then probably you identify with Bob. Well, I'm not responsible if overweight people are offended by this. We're not talking about nutrition, we're talking about characters. We're not talking about your reasons (therefore I don't need to understand them, I'm not interested in them, understand?).

I'm not asking you to quit, because you probably think that "oh my god I will lose this battle if I admit that Bob sucks". But you have also understand that this discussion is going elsewhere. Let other people express their view, they're already baked the popcorn and enjoying this drama. You want to be a clown? I don't. So if you want to keep this convo, do as you please, next tag or else I will ignore you.

One last thing: Bob sucks.

Yeah, so useful, working on my forum signature.

"No obese people can perform his moves": This is not inherently a design flaw, especially in a game series with other unrealistic character traits. You can not like it, that's fine. But it's NOT inherently a design flaw and doesn't make a character "useless".

" a bad message to players": Who takes this design as a message? As I said earlier, this is the soccer mom logic of "Violent games make people violent". People don't see an unrealistic depiction of obesity in a video game and think "I guess it's okay to be fat", you can't prove that a group of people think like this. And DON'T ignore this next part. Even if some people did, why should that matter? Why should designers hold themselves from making a design, not just an obese design, but ANY design because some crazy people that you made up might get the wrong idea because they take a video game design as an OK for their lifestyle choices. Designers hold just as much responsibility as you claim you do for fat people being offended at your posts, none.

And no, i'm not thinking "oh my god I will lose this battle if I admit that Bob sucks", and i'll give you a hint why. Not once in this thread have I even stated my opinion on Bob. I just disagreed with your points on why you think he's a useless character. That doesn't even directly say what my stance is on if he is or isn't a useless character.

So finally, again, we reach another point that boils down to you making an uneducated assumption about someone else to make your point. What are you doing? Are you trolling in your own thread, or are can you only discuss video games by making baseless claims while being insulting? Can you disagree with someone without you making things up about them? This is intensely immature, and has nothing to do with the of truth. If you want this conversation to go anywhere, make a reply to my rebuttals, it's that simple. Seriously, make an effort in your posts to not just make things up about other people and the conversation will naturally move.

[mulambo]

But it's NOT inherently a design flaw and doesn't make a character "useless".

No, it does because I never use that char. Therefore it's useless. You should know what "useless" mean, right?

Who takes this design as a message?

anyone with a properly functioning brain.

Why should designers hold themselves from making a design

You're holding the "design freedom" flag too much without even knowing what design actually is or dreaming about it. Designers only do what they're asked to do. There's no such freedom in the design world. Are you a designer? I don't think so. You're talking in a really ignorant way.

Not once in this thread have I even stated my opinion on Bob

that's why you keep talking. because you have none. shallow-head thinking.

So finally, again, we reach another point that boils down to you making an uneducated assumption about someone else to make your point. What are you doing? Are you trolling in your own thread, or are can you only discuss video games by making baseless claims while being insulting? Can you disagree with someone without you making things up about them? This is intensely immature, and has nothing to do with the of truth. If you want this conversation to go anywhere, make a reply to my rebuttals, it's that simple. Seriously, make an effort in your posts to not just make things up about other people and the conversation will naturally move.

all this sounds more like self-reflection. why don't you learn in recognizing your problems instead of putting them in the hands of other people, that will help you.

so in synthesis: you know nothing, but you keep talking. now I've read all you got to say this time, what did I earn? nothing. Why? because all you said is nonsense. if you were just a little troll who wants to find somebody to talk with, that would be really pathetic, because I've already told you that you're not welcome, I don't want to talk to you and I guess nobody does because of your emptiness.

I'm not your friend, I'm not your doctor and I'm not your mom. If you miss any of the people I've just mentioned, it's your problem anyway, not mine. If you need help in MUGEN coding, though, there's always the Development Board. At least you can post something that clearly requires a "logic" answer. Here, logic, doesn't exist, forget about. Logic is dead. I've killed it. j/k

Good luck in growing up, kiddo, you can keep laughing as much as you want, but remember: "Risus abundat in ore stultorum "
so you are laughing now
then you will get angry
and finally you will accept it

It's the natural cycle of self-awareness, you can't do anything against it. ^^

Now I'd really like to read something by someone who has an opinion. Anyone else can feel free to start the "opinionless thread". We found out it's not for challenge that you do all this, we found out it's not because you have an opinion to defend so, the big question now is: why are you still here and not somewhere else? Something attracts you here? OR Are you the real troll, here? Are you looking for some.. dunno... emotive reaction or something like that? what's your problem, do you want a brain-scan, a psychological analysis... just tell me what cause I have no clue of your point.

[GeorgeMaster]

No, it does because I never use that char. Therefore it's useless. You should know what "useless" mean, right?

Useless "not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome.
"a piece of useless knowledge"
Basically, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a useless character. Bob was a character used a lot in competitive tekken. The word useless doesn't mean "not for me", what you're looking to say is "I don't like it".

anyone with a properly functioning brain.

LMFAO, so i'm to assume "mulambo" with the "functioning brain" sees Bob as a message that you can ignore the health problems of obesity? That's extremely funny but also, it's very immature of you to lash out like this, and makes it look like you're not ready to discuss things like an adult. Also notice how you ignore the part I tell you to "not to ignore" rofl. Can you read?

You're holding the "design freedom" flag too much without even knowing what design actually is or dreaming about it. Designers only do what they're asked to do. There's no such freedom in the design world. Are you a designer? I don't think so. You're talking in a really ignorant way.

This is besides the point. Regardless of who came up with the idea, it doesn't change at all that they're not responsible for random people that once again, you can't even prove exist

Also I do have an opinion on the subject, but that has nothing to do with your criticisms that i'm bringing into question. The point of my posts aren't to be "opinionless" but to discuss the topic at hand. It's terrible I have to also explain this to you but. discussing someone's points on why a character is useless is still discussion about "useless characters".

I really tried, but no matter what I say it seems like you have to make up stuff about me again. I'm disagreeing with you about video game characters, that's all. And yet, here you are, going on about things that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, and again trying to argue your points while trying to completely end the discussion. Let me repeat myself, pick one You can not, try to back out of and silence an argument while trying to win the argument at the same, that is not a fair argument and the two goals contradict each other..

I honestly don't care what you think I am, because you have no bases for these remarks and they just aren't true. I'm not going on and on about what I think you are, and that's because I know that it's a pointless, immature discussion. I'm above all that.
Once again, please in your next post, can you try to just make a single post without all these troll comments?

[CID1973]

It's normal to have tons of betas and unfinnished chars in a place called "archive".
Take it as a musseum, cause that's what it is.
The good point is you'll have all the old versions.
I preffer the old versions of chars from saint seiya...much better than the new ones.

[mulambo]

@ george "Mistress"
talk about contraddictions:
- you say you don't care but you keep replying.
- your argument against the meaning of "useless" sounds like "blablablablabla". nonsensical, who are you trying to fool? I have my own point of view. you don't have one? that's not humility, that's " not having a personality / being blank / nothingness / etc. ".
-you're exploiting the meaning of "troll" whenever your bu**hurt tells you so, just like anyone does when it becomes impossible for him/her to accept the truth.
- your concept of "contraddiction" is too technical, you're trying to analyze an opinion like it was a matter of science. we're not at that level, take these things less seriously please.

[GeorgeMaster]

@ george "Mistress"
talk about contraddictions:
- you say you don't care but you keep replying.
- your argument against the meaning of "useless" sounds like "blablablablabla". nonsensical, who are you trying to fool? I have my own point of view. you don't have one? that's not humility, that's " not having a personality / being blank / nothingness / etc. ".
-you're exploiting the meaning of "troll" whenever your bu**hurt tells you so, just like anyone does when it becomes impossible for him/her to accept the truth.
- your concept of "contraddiction" is too technical, you're trying to analyze an opinion like it was a matter of science. we're not at that level, take these things less seriously please.

-First off, I said I don't care about what you assume about me. I obviously care enough about the topic of thread to engage with someone's points on it. Not a contradiction

-All I did was state the definition of useless and how it doesn't apply to how you view these characters. This has nothing to do with having a personality or not, don't know where you're getting that from.

- I'm just pointing out that making things up about people in an argument while ignoring their points is kinda like a troll., It has nothing to do with exploiting. I've tried multiple times to just argue my point of view and for some reason you make things up about me despite my character being irrelevant to the conversation. Seems kinda like trolling in your own thread.

- And no, my "concept" of contradiction isn't too technical, i'm just using the word correctly.

[mulambo]

you commented like... 12 times and still didn't show the smallest sign of a valuable opinion, beside that "correction" attitude that makes you look like an obsessive-compulsive autistic kid. not to be offensive, but at this point you must tell me if you suffer of autism, because I'm ending this conversation right now for ethical reasons.

so, either you suffer of autism (therefore live in a mental condition that I'm not willing to argue with, for such ethical reasons, respect, etc...) or you're overweight and you're hiding your point of view because you really like Bob (who's a lame fat character, just to remind you).

please, get a dictionary, "troll" is a person who feeds on other people's stupidity. I gain nothing but a sense of pathetic by keeping this conversation up. it's really sad.

[milbury]

lol gj @mulambo incurring the wrath of a deathfat who wants "representation" or some such nonsense.


Anyway, in an attempt to get this thread somewhat back on track:


- K' and Ash Crimson from KOF. Yeah, let's just get them right out of the way. I can see why KOF's creators thought that introducing new protagonists was a good idea, like communism it looks like a good idea on paper. But this is a video game series, not Power Rangers, and both of these guys just look like (and are) annoying spotlight hogs in retrospect. Ash at least makes a good troll, but K' has just aged like curdled milk.


- Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter. Did Hugo really need this creepy sidekick attached to him? Actually, why Hugo was even elevated to PC status is questionable since they dropped the "Alex as new protagonist" idea just as soon as they introduced it and Hugo's only use was to be Andre to Alex's Hogan.


- Ed from Street Fighter. Terrible attempt to appeal to the hip-hop/"jive" urban youth. And are we seriously supposed to believe Balrog of all people could raise a child? That kid would have been sold on the streets for liquor money and everyone knows it.


- Alba Meira and Nagase from the KOF MI games. I actually like most of the other MI characters, Jivatma and Duke and such, and Soiree gets a pass since the creator didn't even know he was supposed to be Alba's brother, but Alba and Nagase are both blatant inserts of creator Falcoon (he outright admitted as such) and that makes them so cringey to me. I don't know who is worse between Alba and his creator-mandated cheapness and Nagase cozying up to every old man in the game, but either way they need to be flushed. Or at least memoryholed in the same pit SNK dumped poor K9999 into.


- Black Widow in MVCI. Only included to appeal to "gamer girls", never mind that I have never once met a single Black Widow fan of either gender. Also, concept-wise she's terribly boring and a very poor inclusion when so many more interesting options exist. Hell, if they had to have some empowered girl, give us Pepper Potts, she's from the MCU and got superpowers in the 3rd movie.


- Love Heart from KOF XIV. Blatant ripoff of Ruby Heart, which I can kinda understand since Capcom refuses to use her, but still.


- Nelson from KOF XIV. His character design is a blatant appeal to the "badasses with bionic arms" meme and is totally contrary to his backstory. He looks like some Hwa Jai-tier henchman but he's supposed to be one of the good guys? And if I'm to be brutally honest, his whole team is made of useless characters. SNK fans will look back on Nelson and co as the new Sports Team.


- Bob and Rufus from Tekken and Street Fighter. Obesity is already a bad enough epidemic without games encouraging kids to balloon up to 400 lbs because then they will be able to bounce of walls!!! or become elite chefs or whatever. Smoking was neutered as a cool thing through relentless shaming and only the same will work for obesity.


- Goku Black from FighterZ. The last character on the list but without a doubt the most useless. DBZ already had their "evil Goku" quota filled with Turles, who is a more interesting character than GB in every way. Why millennials cream their pants over this villain sue I will never know.

[GeorgeMaster]

you commented like... 12 times and still didn't show the smallest sign of a valuable opinion, beside that "correction" attitude that makes you look like an obsessive-compulsive autistic kid. not to be offensive, but at this point you must tell me if you suffer of autism, because I'm ending this conversation right now for ethical reasons.

so, either you suffer of autism (therefore live in a mental condition that I'm not willing to argue with, for such ethical reasons, respect, etc...) or you're overweight and you're hiding your point of view because you really like Bob (who's a lame fat character, just to remind you).

please, get a dictionary, "troll" is a person who feeds on other people's stupidity. I gain nothing but a sense of pathetic by keeping this conversation up. it's really sad.

Again, you're making things up about me. I honestly think you'd be doing a better job at ending the conversation that you seem to keep trying desperately to end (but still reply to anyway) if you would just stay focused and actually respond to the points that have to do with the video game discussion. Can you do that? Stay focused on the topic of your own thread, that's all i'm asking of you.
What does any of the points you bring up in this post have to do with useless characters in fighting games? You're just trolling again. And nothing you said here has any bases in reality.

But if you're not, let me ask you a question. Can someone disagree with your opinion on Bob without you making up things about them?

[milbury]

Again, you're making things up about me. I honestly think you'd be doing a better job at ending the conversation that you seem to keep trying desperately to end (but still reply to anyway) if you would just stay focused and actually respond to the points that have to do with the video game discussion. Can you do that? Stay focused on the topic of your own thread, that's all i'm asking of you.
What does any of the points you bring up in this post have to do with useless characters in fighting games? You're just trolling again. And nothing you said here has any bases in reality.

But if you're not, let me ask you a question. Can someone disagree with your opinion on Bob without you making up things about them?

"Making things up" lol look at this guy. Hey, @GeorgeMaster , relevant to your lifestyle:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3orif3L2Pc0mBRHqMw/giphy.gif

[GeorgeMaster]

Good one, Milbury. However, what you trolls don't seem to understand, is that these things don't bother me. Simply because they aren't true.

[milbury]

Hahaha, okay @GeorgeMaster credit where it's due, you do know how to roll with the punches. Perhaps there's a future in street fighting for you yet!

[GeorgeMaster]

Hahaha, okay @GeorgeMaster credit where it's due, you do know how to roll with the punches. Perhaps there's a future in street fighting for you yet!

Keep in mind the latter half of "new challenger" . Also, I don't like Bob, he ruined EVO 2011.

[spaghetti balls]

Norimaro from MvC is the only one I can think of.

[Mortos]

- Black Widow in MVCI. Only included to appeal to "gamer girls", never mind that I have never once met a single Black Widow fan of either gender. Also, concept-wise she's terribly boring and a very poor inclusion when so many more interesting options exist. Hell, if they had to have some empowered girl, give us Pepper Potts, she's from the MCU and got superpowers in the 3rd movie.

The worst part about Natrasha's inclusion is not only that she is an ultra lame char, is the fact that she mades the roster look even more bad that what already looked having more chars from one side than the other, there was better chars from both sides to add over this lame spy. Also on top of that she is a DLC char, like you have to pay extra to play with such a garbage char.

- Love Heart from KOF XIV. Blatant ripoff of Ruby Heart, which I can kinda understand since Capcom refuses to use her, but still..

I gotta say that this is true. There's no way to defend her, unlike Ruby and B. Jenet there's nothing that makes Love stand out, her moveset is boring, she has not personality whatsoever and tbh the only thing that i like is her design, but even with that she still is a lame char. Funny enough SNK sold the rights of her pachinko series, so she is not an SNK char anymore, that crappy waifu game is practically her last appearance.

- Nelson from KOF XIV. His character design is a blatant appeal to the "badasses with bionic arms" meme and is totally contrary to his backstory. He looks like some Hwa Jai-tier henchman but he's supposed to be one of the good guys? And if I'm to be brutally honest, his whole team is made of useless characters. SNK fans will look back on Nelson and co as the new Sports Team.

TBH, his team was made to appeal the brazilian fanbase of KOF, just like the México team was created to appeal the Mexican fanbase of KOF, but yeah their designs could have been better and Nelson indeed looks like some Geese's henchman.

- Goku Black from FighterZ. The last character on the list but without a doubt the most useless. DBZ already had their "evil Goku" quota filled with Turles, who is a more interesting character than GB in every way. Why millennials cream their pants over this villain sue I will never know.

I agree, Goku Black/Zamazu is probably the worst villain in all of DB story IMO, and on top of that he was stolen from deviantart.
https://www.deviantart.com/negatiivegokux20/art/Evil-goku-137564254

[PenguinBrawler]

Dr.Mario in Super Smash Brothers Melee
He's just a reskin a Mario.
I know he has a few minor differences to Mario like being slightly slower or his pills being stronger than fireballs, but that's pretty much where the differences end.

Also before I post more. Is this thread specifically for fighting game characters?

[TheShepherd82]

I don't like a few chars from capcom, but don't even know their names...blame me
there is these strange looking genderless thing with looks like it is copied out of final fantasy...

A char i never liked is t.hawk, his way of moving and attacks don't match with his look.
even the t.hawk from street fighter the movie is more acceptable^^ (to me)
if i had to chose a char that is close to t.hawk i would chose condor.