Useless Characters

What are, in your opinion, those chars which weren't supposed to be in an official/commercial game because they're just too weird or useless?

Some examples:

- Necrid (Soul Calibur 2) : I was expecting more from Todd McFarlane, honestly. I think his concept char wasn't really thought-out and also a bit useless in gameplay (as the char imitates other characters' moves... and there was already Charade doing this job).

- Jin Kazama (weird furry outfit, Tekken 5)
No, just no. No. No. Why, NAMCO, why?

- The whole American sports Team (KOF)
Well, I'm disappointed about the selection SNK made for the American team because, instead of making new characters for KOF94, they could have included some characters from Aggressor of Dark Kombat, instead, like the basketball kid.

- Bao (KOF)
I hate this char, I mean.. he's just a kid. Let him play with toys, not fighting other people.


-Student fighters (Rival Schools: Evolution Disc)
I think Capcom ran out of ideas when thinking about unlockables. These chars were unlockable by beating the game and they were just some students using other characters' moves. A bit useless and not so funny afterall.

-Jhun(KOF)
Yeah, stylish char... but a bit useless, I mean... what is he, an intellectual and sophisticated version of Kim?

- Most of KOF:MI new chars
Another case of concepts hoarding, I mean: instead of making new characters... why didn't SNK just converted the existing ones to 3d? Many chars should have been included in the MI series.. like Choi, Takuma... etc. None of them are really noticeable and authentic, more like an attempt to gather as many details as possible into a single char (that doesn't make a char recognizable).

- Lars (Tekken6)
No. The story of the Mishima family should have been more simple. Ok for Lee, the "b@stard son", but Lars is pretty useless especially if his moveset is something too strange.

- Leo (Tekken6)
It took me years to aknowledge this char was actually a girl. I always thought hewas just a rip-off of Leon Rafale from Virtua Fighter (without the cool moves and attitude, though). His fighting style is too similar with the other kung-fu fighters (Michelle, Feng Wei, etc...)

-Bob (Tekken6)
Fat people just can't move like that.

-Alisa Boskonovitch(Tekken6)
I don't know why I can't stand this character. Maybe because a chainsaw should be outlawed in fighting games, NAMCO went just too far with this.

- Lily's waiter/servant (Tekken Tag 2)
Well... was him necessary?

well... add yours!

Interesting thread, yeah i remember some.

- The Secret chars (MSH vs SF and MvC1)
They were just lazy palleteswaps with the exception of Roll, for me it was always funny how they added palleteswaps instead of making the special strikers playable.

- The Servbot and Bone Claw Wolverine (MvC2)
They were practically filler, Bone Claw Wolverine is Capcom being lazy to make another char for the Marvel side.

- The Sentinel and Hsien-Ko(MvC3)
Hsien-Ko was a wasted spot that could have been used for any better Capcom character, Sentinel is an overrated char that took the spot of any other interesting X-Men chars that could have been added like Psylocke, Gambit, Rogue or even Cyclops.

- Ingrid (CFJ)
Magic girl with Mary Sue abilitys, yeah never liked her, she feels like a parody of Athena from SNK.

- Shun'ei and Meitenkun (KOF XIV)
Probably the only Newcomers from KOF XIV that i don't like. Shun'ei's design is a mess, what is with that necktie, Green Hair and Cape? Then you have pillow boy, is this really the hero team of this new saga? this two make Ash look like a good char.

- Necalli (SFV)
I tend to forget this guy is even in the game, he is probably the most boring newcomer from SFV.

- Black Widow (MvC Infinite)
You have alot of chars from the Marvel universe that would be interesting to see in a fighting game like Loki, Scarlet Witch, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Dr. Octopus, Green Goblin, Black Cat, Blade and even Fr##king Star-Lord who was very requested. And you choose the most boring char you could think of, no wonder the game fail, the entire roster is a mess, more chars from one side and few newcomers, that's something i would expect from mugen, not an official game.

Leaving the obvious apart to sound a little less repetitive

Why Hugo and Poison exist is beyond me...

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Originally Posted by Kora

Leaving the obvious apart to sound a little less repetitive

Why Hugo and Poison exist is beyond me...

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Well... same would count for Rolento, Guy and Cody, they're all characters from Final Fight :/
And they're pretty original too, I mean a playable version of Andre the Giant (famous old-school wrestler, whose name in FF was originally "Andorre" btw..) and a transgender character that doesn't look awkward (but strangely enough... rather convincing)... are all good choices imho.
The problem is when a character concept seems like a mashup of totally random or excessive details.

I'm actually surprised Capcom never re-introduced characters from other famous beat'em'up series... like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Warriors of Fate and Captain Commando.

Is it just me or am I the only one who found the Ice Climbers to be pretty useless characters in SSBM/SSBB? Thank the Tome of the Night Sky that they didn't return for SSB4. the same goes for Snake in SSBB (I know he was put in because Kojima was best friends with Sakurai or something like that but he was still pretty useless to me.)

well, ice climbers may have been fine for the game, they're NES classic chars and they fit the platformish style of SSB... but Solid Snake was totally out of place for me too (especially because MGS had no jump button, the char was sticking to the ground for all the gameplay or even refusing to go down a broken stairs set...)
As much as Heihachi, Link and Spawn in Soul Calibur 2 which were "exclusive" characters for each console (PS2, GC and XBox). Yoshimitsu, though, was a good inclusion in Soul Calibur BUT a bad one the Tekken series, as much as any other char that uses weapons (yeah I'm talking to you, Billy Kane, Vega and so on.. :P). Kratos and the Star Wars characters were a good decision, though (yet they still belong to the "exclusive" console thing which is stupid, imho)... although I don't really like when a time machine is being used (Star Wars scenario is a fantastic future, Soul Calibur is a fantastic past).

Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart 8. Just... why? At least Dry Bones and Dry Bowser existed before their Mario Kart appearances and were technically separate. Pink Gold Peach is just Peach with a metallic skin.

For fighting games, Snake looks really out of place in SSBB. That's not to say he doesn't belong there, but he just doesn't fit with Nintendo's characters.
Also, the rumour of BOTW Link being in the new smash: If that's true, I'll gladly call him a useless character. He'd be better off as a skin, NOT a separate fighter.

I don't know and probably this is not a popular opinion at all.. but I always thought the Mii fighters, all of them, were stupid, in SSB. for 3DS and Wii U were a bit stupid. Especially since, their whole shtick is that they are YOUR character, that you could make and make yours, so it would make sense that you could customize their moves, and to an extent you can, but like all the other characters you can customize, it a set of only 3 new moves, not moves you can make, so I find it stupid. (heh.)

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Originally Posted by mulambo

Well... same would count for Rolento, Guy and Cody, they're all characters from Final Fight :/
And they're pretty original too, I mean a playable version of Andre the Giant (famous old-school wrestler, whose name in FF was originally "Andorre" btw..) and a transgender character that doesn't look awkward (but strangely enough... rather convincing)... are all good choices imho.
The problem is when a character concept seems like a mashup of totally random or excessive details.

I'm actually surprised Capcom never re-introduced characters from other famous beat'em'up series... like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Warriors of Fate and Captain Commando.

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Not sure whe they don't use character from Captain Commando or Warriors of Fate, but it is realy easy to explain for Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, in this case capcom is not owning the characters, and only had limited rights to use them, like for the Aliens vs Predator game.

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Originally Posted by Lichtbringer

Not sure whe they don't use character from Captain Commando or Warriors of Fate, but it is realy easy to explain for Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, in this case capcom is not owning the characters, and only had limited rights to use them, like for the Aliens vs Predator game.

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CapCom didn't own Marvel characters neither... lol

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Originally Posted by mulambo

Well... same would count for Rolento, Guy and Cody, they're all characters from Final Fight :/
And they're pretty original too, I mean a playable version of Andre the Giant (famous old-school wrestler, whose name in FF was originally "Andorre" btw..) and a transgender character that doesn't look awkward (but strangely enough... rather convincing)... are all good choices imho.
The problem is when a character concept seems like a mashup of totally random or excessive details.

I'm actually surprised Capcom never re-introduced characters from other famous beat'em'up series... like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Warriors of Fate and Captain Commando.

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"The problem is when a character concept seems like a mashup of totally random or excessive details."
And that's exactly how most of them look to me :uhuh:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120904131414

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Originally Posted by Kora

"The problem is when a character concept seems like a mashup of totally random or excessive details."
And that's exactly how most of them look to me :uhuh:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120904131414

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well... if you look at the picture it shows a mashup of characters, but I was talking about a single character having tons of useless accessories which give him/her no real attitude or recognizable personality, like if it was a character made by fusing a char with another (Necalli, for example... obviously obtained by fusing Akuma with Blanka). so I was talking about each character one by one, not them all together in the same pic. Ryu, for example, is a quite simple char, he has few elements (the karateji, the "bandana", the gloves, period)... other chars have limited quantity of elements too... probably Twelve is the most authentic as it's practically ***** (but we all know it's a bot)

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Originally Posted by mulambo

CapCom didn't own Marvel characters neither... lol

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Yea but they had a deal with Marvel to use them, they also had a deal for the Cadillacs and Dinosaurs Characters and would have to make a new deal to use them again with the company that has the rights for them right now.

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Originally Posted by mulambo

well... if you look at the picture it shows a mashup of characters, but I was talking about a single character having tons of useless accessories which give him/her no real attitude or recognizable personality, like if it was a character made by fusing a char with another (Necalli, for example... obviously obtained by fusing Akuma with Blanka). so I was talking about each character one by one, not them all together in the same pic. Ryu, for example, is a quite simple char, he has few elements (the karateji, the "bandana", the gloves, period)... other chars have limited quantity of elements too... probably Twelve is the most authentic as it's practically n♥♥♥d (but we all know it's a bot)

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Having all together in the same pic makes their absurdity somewhat more bearable :noworry:

Alright, despite being in the pic, Ryu and the like are not great offenders.

Don't knew what twelve was supposed to be

Early Jin Kazama,Kazuya,Heihachi.

Those 3 where pretty much the same chars with the same moveset except maybe one move.

Links Fairy because i dont wanna listen to her.


To be honest there are sooooo many chars that i cant even remember all of them anymore because they are so useless they dont deserve memory space in my brain. xD

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Originally Posted by Kora

Having all together in the same pic made their absurdity somewhat more bearable :noworry:

Alright, despite being in the pic, Ryu and the like are not great offenders.

Don't knew what twelve was supposed to be

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Well, actually Ryu has probably the most stun-bar-filling moves of the game (pretty easy if you keep using the strong punch) in SF3; Ken is... well, watch Daigo's parry show, I don't like Ken that much but he has really high priority attacks ; Gouki/Akuma... well, actually he should have been a sub-boss in SF3 because of his difficulty. The only karate-like character that doesn't offer much of his potential is... Sean. I think that CapCom didn't balance the power of any char very well, giving more power to certain characters while all the others are just difficult to play with.

About Twelve... well I just discovered that by watching Urien's ending (that, surprisingly, runs a biotech laboratory in the coliseum of Rome).

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Originally Posted by Love******

Early Jin Kazama,Kazuya,Heihachi.

Those 3 where pretty much the same chars with the same moveset except maybe one move.

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Well, actually Jin was a nice combination of Kazama and Mishima style... Kazuya and Heihachi were really similar in many moves, but also very different in many others (especially unblockable moves are really different).
It's ok, in my opinion, because... you know, it's the Mishima family. I think it's as much tolerable as the different karate characters from SF. Maybe it's because I like karate that I tolerate more karate chars in the same game.

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Originally Posted by mulambo

Well, actually Jin was a nice combination of Kazama and Mishima style... Kazuya and Heihachi were really similar in many moves, but also very different in many others (especially unblockable moves are really different).
It's ok, in my opinion, because... you know, it's the Mishima family. I think it's as much tolerable as the different karate characters from SF. Maybe it's because I like karate that I tolerate more karate chars in the same game.

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If i remember right then the early Jin didnt use the Kazama style.

If i remember right then Jin replaced Kazuya in Tekken 3 because he wasnt in the game. Jin was just a remodel of Kazuya at that time. They changed Jin when he was in the same game With Kazuya. I believe in Tekken 4 Jin had slight move changes and in Tekken 5 they completely changed him.

Well and then we have the Male and Female version of Eddi cheatero. Both are the same except the gender. I stoped playing Tekken with Tekken 5 so i dont know if Christy took Eddis place for good now or if both are playable.

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Originally Posted by Loveh♥♥♥ai

If i remember right then the early Jin didnt use the Kazama style.

If i remember right then Jin replaced Kazuya in Tekken 3 because he wasnt in the game. Jin was just a remodel of Kazuya at that time. They changed Jin when he was in the same game With Kazuya. I believe in Tekken 4 Jin had slight move changes and in Tekken 5 they completely changed him.

Well and then we have the Male and Female version of Eddi cheatero. Both are the same except the gender. I stoped playing Tekken with Tekken 5 so i dont know if Christy took Eddis place for good now or if both are playable.

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In Tekken 3, he had moves both of her mother Kazama (some examples: side step + right punch, standing right kick, left punch + right kick, down+both kicks... those were all Jun's moves in Tekken 2) and his father Kazuya (all the rest of moves)... About Jin, yep, then his style has totally changed in Tekken 4 to his "custom" karate, that's why (I think because of fans' requests) they made Devil Jin (which has Tekken 3 Jin moves + other devilish stuff) in Tekken 5.
I remember people complaining also about Brian not being exactly like Bruce (as muai thai replacement) and Hwoarang being totally different than Baek (as TKD replacement)... as well as many other characters not being in the game.

Well, as regards my expierence, I only followed the Tekken series till Tekken Tag 2... but it seems that I'm not losing anything new or relevant since they're introducing characters from other series (that a clear sign of concept crisis). It's like they can't give up with the franchise to focus on something else like... a totally new game with new characters, new story, etc.)

any characters who doesn't have projectiles, Ashura Senku and Shun Goku Satsu or even worst, doesn't have "kara" shun goku satsu

...Hercule/Mr Satan: Almost All Dragon ball games
Videl: Same as the prior
Phoenix Wright: Marvel Vs Capcom, obvious reasons

i will think of more here...